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Noise Complaint May Signal End Of The Music At Pancho’s Manhattan Beach

July 30, 2019 by kevinwilkerson 12 Comments

Day Of Daze Band Leader Dazed By Complaining Neighbor

Column By Kevin Wilkerson, PubClub.com Manhattan Beach Blogger

Pancho's Manhattan Beach band drummer in a glass cage
The drummer must play behind a glass cage because of new rules restricting the band at Pancho’s in Manhattan Beach, CA. Photo: PubClub.com




The biggest crime happening now in Manhattan Beach, CA, is not a series of car break-ins or a rash of bike thefts, but the situation at Pancho’s restaurant and bar.

Jim Wheeler, one of the top musicians ever to play in the South Bay, is on the sidelines, having to leave his saxophone in its case and hold a sound meter in his hand. Rather than being on stage entertaining people the way he has done for decades, he now goes around the bar and into the neighborhood checking noise levels.

It is a crime because such a talented musician is not allowed to play due to one neighbor – a single person – who has been making continual noise complaints about the bar to the city. Instead of leaning back and ripping out solos that make chills run down your spine it’s so good, Wheeler is reduced to being the equivalent of the backup quarterback in football, the guy with the clipboard and headset who has no chance of getting into the game.

It is also a crime that only three band members are allowed on stage at one time (thereby forcing Wheeler to the sidelines) and that the drummer must now play in a glass-enclosed “cage.” Pancho’s has for years attracted some of the greatest musicians in Los Angeles to play in the Day of Daze band, a collection of people who have toured with legendary rock bands, including Fleetwood Mac, Tom Petty, Styx and even Alice Cooper.

Wheeler himself has toured with Kenny Loggins.

Pancho's Manhattan Beach band Jim Wheeler saxophone
For several years, Jim Wheeler played a saxophone on weekends at Pancho’s in Manhattan Beach. Photo: PubClub.com
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For decades, Pancho’s cantina in Manhattan Beach, CA, had no limits on its bands or music.

Now, those musicians must adhere to sounds levels that’s like having them on mute. And being able to have just three members on stage at one time is like watching them perform with one hand tied behind their backs.

And instead of riding to the rescue of Pancho’s and the many patrons who go there and spend money in the establishment specifically to hear these musicians, the city of Manhattan Beach is siding with that one resident.

It is enforcing a decades-old Conditional Use Permit (CUP) from the Pancho’s owner, back when the band at the time had only three people in it. It is also making Pancho’s adhere to a strict 50 decibels in a commercial zone and 40 in a residential zone.  This is why Wheeler is carrying around a sound meter instead of his saxophone.

I walked outside with Wheeler on a Friday night, down the alley and to the complaining resident’s house, which is just west of the restaurant’s parking lot. And let me say, one would need to put a stethoscope up to the wall of Pancho’s to hear any noise coming from the place.

But apparently, when the neighbor opens his doors and goes onto his balcony, the noise is enough to cause him to call and complain. This guy must have the hearing ability of a dog.

As a result, it is quite possible that we are witnessing the sad end of a long “career” of great live music at Panchos. This goes back to Chuck Shumacker’s band, the late and great Carey Carloff, Little Jimmy and Day of Daze.

Yes, it’s a sad but potential reality that a noice complaint may signal the end of the music at Pancho’s in Manhattan Beach.

And that, folks, is a real crime.

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Filed Under: Manhattan Beach Tagged With: noise complaint, Pancho's Manhattan Beach

Comments

  1. Karen-El Porto Resident says

    August 1, 2019 at 8:27 am

    If you live next to a restaurant/bar there will be people and noise! It’s a fact of life. This person should move if they do not like were they live! Panchos is an institution in the South Bay and has been voted the best Mexican restaurant in the bay for almost 40 years. I love to bring guests when they come to visit! Good food, drinks AND live Music!

    Reply
    • kevinwilkerson says

      August 1, 2019 at 9:05 am

      Thank you! And very true.

      Reply
  2. Dennis says

    August 1, 2019 at 11:23 am

    Why is this coming up now? This person must have known when they moved into that apartment that this restaurant and the music was there long before them! This is like moving next to a school and complaining that there are kids next door. Save the music!

    Reply
    • kevinwilkerson says

      August 1, 2019 at 11:43 am

      For some reason, the city has now chosen to enforce the original CUP, which only calls for three band members to be on stage at the same time. At the time the CUP was filled out by the Pancho’s owner, there were only three members in the band. Heck, if he put down 10 band members, that would still stand today.

      Reply
  3. Liz says

    August 3, 2019 at 7:04 am

    Anything we can do to help support Pancho’s and the band?

    Reply
    • kevinwilkerson says

      August 3, 2019 at 9:25 am

      Complain to the city!

      Reply
  4. Hetty says

    March 20, 2021 at 11:49 pm

    I miss the old days of the 1970-1980s in South Bay when a guy like that would have got his ass beat

    Reply
    • kevinwilkerson says

      March 21, 2021 at 10:09 am

      Fortunately, that guy has been silenced and the music is back at Pancho’s.

      Reply
      • Chris says

        May 30, 2022 at 10:45 pm

        What’s the latest?? Was at Pancho’s on a recent Saturday night, and was disappointed find only karaoke 🙁

        Reply
        • kevinwilkerson says

          June 6, 2022 at 7:51 am

          Yeah, that’s the only music they have these days.

          Reply
  5. Thomas Stephens says

    May 13, 2021 at 7:35 pm

    Everybody is missing the real issue here though. This shit never happened in the DECADE that Jimmy Garrison ruled. You see that guy was a band LEADER and arguably the most talented musician to ever play Pancho’s. It was Jimmy that the greats lined up when they were in town to play with because he not only could play guitar as good or better than anyone around he could also sing better than practically anybody in the business and when he brought Shem Shroeck in with him from the trio they had with Jason Smith??? There was no playing OR singing going on in LA county any better than that. But he had CONTROL over the band too. You never saw MARSHALLS in a 90 person capacity club because he would throw a fucking FIT. No 1200 watt bass amps for Roger Powell when he took over for Shem because Jimmy was intimidating and would not stand for it. I fucking MISS THOSE days at PANCHO’S. They were dynamic, unpredictable, tolerable, heavy, soulful…oh yes…very soulful.

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    • kevinwilkerson says

      May 14, 2021 at 12:06 am

      Thanks Thomas. You will probably enjoy this PubClub article on top all-time iconic bands in the South Bay. Cheers! https://www.pubclub.com/destinations/usa/california/los-angeles/south-bay/south-bay-top-10-iconic-all-time-best-bands-musicians/

      Reply

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